This has to be the BEST Sugar Skull makeup I've ever seen! I painted my face as one for Halloween this year, but I'd never done facepaint before and it definitely didn't turn out anywhere near that badass. Awesome job though!
I'm just going to ignore the cultural shit going on with this because it will just piss me off and instead approach this from a make up point of view. The purple and orange around the eyes is quite nice and your eyes pop. However, the design is rather simple and I feel relies heavily on the sparkle and color to make it impressive. If you do this again (though I would prefer you didn't) perhaps try more elaborate designs? I think you can accomplish more with line and pattern than the jewels.
Este es un hermoso trabajo y la mayoria en lugar de comentar lo maravilloso que es hacen comentarios ofensivos.No me refiero a CaptainSpaceFucker ella solo expreso lo que pensaba y asta donde se tenia la libertad de hacerlo,me refiero a los 6 comentarios que se dedican a regaņarla cuando en realidad solo dijo como se sentia al respecto.
Wearing sugar skull patterns as a Halloween costume is culturally offensive to those who seriously celebrate Dia de Muerta. Sugar skulls are placed on the altars of relatives who have passed away--reducing that to a Halloween costume is seriously disrespectful. Obviously I can't tell you to stop doing this, but please reconsider endorsing this as a costume. It's tantamount to dressing up as a Native American for Halloween--they're a culture, not a costume.
I'm sorry people are too ignorant to understand what you're saying (this is not directed at the artist, who I doubt had bad intentions, and for all I know is using this as an opportunity educate herself).
Whether everyone "agrees" or not, the fact that many people consider this offensive to their culture should be enough incentive to STOP. Is it really worth it? Is not wearing a costume going to hurt someone as much as trivializing a holiday hurts an entire culture?
It's a beautiful design, yes. The artist did a wonderful job. But a significant holiday of a sometimes marginalized culture shouldn't be made into a Halloween costume. I don't judge people who do this unless they are told why it's wrong, and then persist in their ignorance. I used to love the "gypsy" aesthetic because I thought the fasion was romantic and beautiful. When I learned "gypsy" was a negative stereotype of the Romani people and that it hurt them, it kind of sucked to have to give that up, but my small sacrifice seemed trivial compared to the concerns of the marginalized group.
Actually, the artist comes from Spain--she may very well celebrate the holiday for all I know! I don't. But I'm bisexual, and I don't feel entitled to call people "faggots" because I'm part of that group, in a way. A person who hails from a culture can still disrespect it--that's the point I want people to get.
"...it kind of sucked to have to give that up, but my small sacrifice seemed trivial compared to the concerns of the marginalized group."
Pretty much that. They could start with amending their knowledge of Hispanic and Latino folks--half of them keep saying "Spanish people" instead of Hispanic or Latino (or Mexican, to get specific). Spanish is a language. A LANGUAGE, DAMMIT.
And a nationality, but they're talking about Mexico.
I think your comment is very well thought out and eloquent, and I like the fact that you actually took the time to not be rude about it (unlike some people I've seen on BOTH sides of the argument) but I feel the need to bring to light that it isn't just cultures of a different color that get misrepresented on Halloween, here's a great example: midnightweary.tumblr.com/post/…
Cool post! That's interesting. It's also worth noting that a lot of the time, those costumes are created by American companies and sold to white people; it has a lot to do with white people dressing up as another culture--and at the end of the day, they can take those cultures "off." It's exploitation of a minority here in America to do that. A minority can't take their skin off; a POC can't take their color off. Those groups are used for profit and harassed by others. That's my main issue with it, anyway--that white folks are using it as "fun play time" when to every other group, it's serious business.
No problem. I just think that it's unfair to leave out the white cultures getting ridiculed with these Halloween costumes, because, being Irish, I also find a few of them offensive. At the end of the day, it's done for one thing: Profit. The companies that make these costumes really don't care about who they're offending or what they're doing, and the product is sold to ignorant people who probably don't care either. My point is simply that a lot of the time, I see people raising a big fuss about this stuff with coloured cultures- and it gets left alone if it's anything else when really, the entirety of it is going to be offensive.
You know....i've met numerous Mexicans who have no problems with things like this. I mean, they're very happy when they see it because it's almost like it's putting a special part of their culture on display. The first time I saw someone dress up like this, I thought it was amazing and went to research it. It was great learning so much about a different culture and their traditions. I think it's fine for people to do it. It's not exactly negative, is it? We aren't mocking Mexicans or their tradition. And I don't appreciate how you generalized this. Not all Hispanics have a problem with it. In fact, it's solely a MEXICAN tradition. I also don't appreciate how you called the artist out in the comment section instead of being proper about your issue and sending them a private message; even if you were polite.
Okay--meeting a few people who have different opinions isn't going to change the fact that entire communities and campaigns have been devoted to erasing this kind of misrepresentation.
No, people who dress up in sugar skull makeup aren't actively trying to disrespect or mock Day of the Dead, but what right do they have to dress themselves in the garb of a fairly sacred and traditional ceremony that belongs to Hispanic Mexicans? Do I, as a white European-American, have the right to dress myself in Native American traditional Navajo "Night Way" clothing? Hell no, I don't. I'm not a part of their tribe, I never will be, and I don't get to use their culture to play dress-up. It's disrespectful. They're a minority group that possess few of the same rights as me, because I'm white. I have privilege. I get to take such a "costume" off at the end of the day--they don't. It's real for them. I want to respect that.
Cultural misappropriation. Also, not all Hispanic people who celebrate day of the dead live in Mexico.
It's not a "private message" issue, by the way; if more people like you see it, then it will have accomplished its job: raising awareness about this issue.
Entire communities and campaigns...well, those are also their own opinions. And it's not like I've only met a 'few'. Although, it could be relative....i'm talking about people i've met over online forums and on websites arguing against the narrow mindedness of some of today's people about the exact same issue.
You have a right to do whatever the hell you want. If you don't want to play dress up, that's fine. Cheers to you and your respect for them. If you want to do it, that's your business then, isn't it? We were all given free will. It's fine if you want to but don't try to passively force others to do the same. They can make their own decisions.
And you said Hispanics. It's not all Hispanics. It's solely a Mexican tradition. Also, when someone say Mexican, it doesn't mean that you have to be in Mexico to celebrate it. You have Mexican PEOPLe etc. So your statement ("Also, not all Hispanic people who celebrate day of the dead live in Mexico. ") was unnecessary.
And yes, I do believe it was a private message issue. The artist didn't put up her work for the purpose of having people like you completely remove the attention from the piece itself and towards a cultural issue. I think it's rather unfair. That would be like you putting up these long ass paragraphs and someone coming along and criticizing your grammar or profile picture.
They can also criticize your profile for a random and stupid reason. You shouldn't limit human behaviour.
Yes. We do have free will but you're creating a double standard.
Bottom line is, if you wanted to tell the artist about YOUR PERSONAL OPINION on HER PERSONAL CHOICE, you could have easily done it in a private message. How about raising awareness by posting about it in forums or making a website and actually advertising instead of trying to ruin people's art in the freaking comment section? That would have been effective enough. Going over the top and creating chaos is just being extra and annoying, no matter how civilized you act.
And I had a shitty day but thanks for your gesture.
Shut up ohmygosh I'm soooo tired of people saying stuff like this okay, are you even Hispanic. This makeup is beautiful and obviously not offending anyone. Dia de Muerta makeup is actually really common for the holiday, so yes, it has been done even in that culture. It is not offensive.
You say it's not offending anyone, but prove it. Where are your sources? I posted verifiable evidence there's a large movement protesting this kind of thing. It's real.
The makeup is common for the holiday because America (and other countries) is in the habit of culturally misappropriating everyone. Native Americans, Muslims, and the Romani people, for example. Check out the links. America uses other cultures for a big dress-up party. It's disrespectful. We steal from them and reduce their significance.
Seriously holy shit dude, I feel like you literally are Tumblr from getting offended for another culture because a girl posted a picture of her art. Seriously, not everyone gets offended by it, and the very few Hispanics that do or might get offended by it aren't even going to see it. She worked hard on the makeup, and it looks nice. Reading something on the internet does not mean it's a true source as well. Usually the only people defending this sort of thing aren't even from that race, I can understand if it was a cheap looking costume that was seriously made to degrade a certain culture, like a 'Mexican' costume where the bottom half is made to look like you were riding a donkey or if it came with an oversized mustache or something, I could understand that, but in this case, all she has done is made a beautiful design. If she wants to show it off, she can. I mean, it's not as if someone can walk up to her while wearing the makeup and be like "Oh you're not Hispanic, so that was originally not your idea or your culture so it offends me, take it off." That would be extremely rude. It's not as if she is making fun of the race or degrading it. Obviously she saw beauty in the design of sugar skulls so she wanted to expand on it. I honestly don't think you should be telling her not to do it because it could 'offend' people. The only person I see it offending is you.
1) This design IS beautiful. Not disagreeing. Work went into it. Something can be both beautiful and offensive when culturally misappropriated. Whether the artist worked hard or not isn't the issue here--try to stay on topic.
2) The issue is, speaking of, is the artist's advertisement of this design as "for" Halloween. It's coming off as though it's meant to be perceived as a costume or for Halloween. That's not okay. It's pretty, but misappropriated and disrespectful.
3) If you check the comments, you'll see more offended people agreeing with me
4) Tumblr has a large social justice community; don't try to shame me by citing it as an insult. Ad hominems are fallacies, not valid points.
I'm part of Tumblr's social justice community, trust me I practically live on Tumblr, but this is one of the points that I do not agree with. If you read through all the comments you can see many people disagreeing with you, including some Hispanics. Only one or two other people have agreed with you, everyone else has disagreed. You're arguing a pointless cause.
Alright, three people who are Hispanic disagree with me. Whoo! My roommate is gay and likes to call people fags. Doesn't make it okay for straight people to go around calling people fags, yeah? I think you're missing the point of my argument. Just because three Hispanic people disagree with me, doesn't make the case pointless. White people everywhere would make Native Americans into a costume, just like they do with Day of the Dead. There are entire online and irl communities arguing against this. It's more relevant than you think.
It's fine for you to disagree, of course. You can go on your way if you think there's nothing left to say. We'll have to agree to disagree.
(P.S., if you are part of social justice on tumblr, then why use it to put me down? Shame...)
Because I think Tumblr sometimes gets way to offended in places it's not needed, literally gets offended at everything. Listen, I'm pretty much gay, I'm also genderfluid, I don't give a fuck if someone walks around calling me a gay fag, I think it's hilarious. I also think it's really funny that you're using sexuality so much to argue your point. Most gay people also don't get offended when they're called fags. It's almost like an on-going joke. I think that dressing up and learning about another culture is okay. It is true, cheesy cheap Hallloween costumes that are obviously offending aren't. But outfits that have had time put into, and actual research has gone into it, I think it was someone truly learning about the culture and embracing it. Not degrading it.
But I do respect your opinion, you're obviously very headstrong about it, and I value that. It's good to be so passionate about something.